Comments for Saanich Voice Online https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca Your Voice • Your Paper • Online Sun, 13 May 2018 01:51:00 -0700 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.7 Comment on The Tab for the Citizens’ Assembly by Katherine Whitworth https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/05/07/the-tab-for-the-citizens-assembley/#comment-225521 Sun, 13 May 2018 01:51:00 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5848#comment-225521 My question is….”How did we get here?” The January 8, 2018 Council motion reads: “That council call on the Province of British Columbia to establish and fund a Citizens’ Assembly on Amalgamation with interested municipalities.” Given that Minister Robinson clearly states in her letter that any Citizens Assembly would be split 3 ways…..it should be a “no brainer” that we should not be continuing on because we are working “outside” the scope of the January 8, 2018 motion.
January 8, 2018 – Minutes – Page 10 of 15 :
http://saanich.ca.granicus.com/DocumentViewer.php?file=saanich_7872e1553270a95892fe6ffe26568ebe.pdf&view=1
Letter to Minister Robinson, Response from Minister, Joint Memo from Mayor Atwell and Helps (From April 23, 2018 Agenda):
http://saanich.ca.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=1&clip_id=151&meta_id=6394

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Comment on Who Pays Whose Debt in Amalgamation? by Stan Bartlett, Chair, Grumpy Taxpayer$ of Greater Victoria https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/05/02/who-pays-whose-debt-in-amalgamation/#comment-225510 Thu, 10 May 2018 16:27:25 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5826#comment-225510 Good article Roger and Saanich Voice Online. ‘Who Pays Whose Debt?’ is an important question that perhaps should be extended to include INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIT. This article discusses the infrastructure deficit of Victoria – a subsequent article will discuss Saanich. – Bartlett

Infrastructure deficit of Victoria unknown

While residents now have a new bridge ($105 million plus), and are planning for a new Crystal Pool ($69.4 million), plus fire hall and emergency centre ($35.9 million), tax revenue is needed to upgrade other aging City of Victoria infrastructure.

City staff are now developing asset master plans and condition assessments to determine how much capital investment is actually needed – it will likely be hundreds of millions of dollars.“The infrastructure deficit is the difference between what you need to spend to do upgrades and the funding you will have available in the years you need to do those upgrades,” says Susanne Thompson, director of finance.

“The capital budget funding levels have reached sustainable levels for some assets (water), some are close to sustainable levels (storm drains), some projects are shaped through consultation with the community (park upgrades), some require additional analysis to determine the required funding levels (sewer, equipment and surface infrastructure such as street and traffic lights), and some fall short of recommended levels (facilities, roads and fleet),” says Thompson.

Even though the City doesn’t have the exact number, it knows it has an infrastructure deficit and has already started increasing funding levels for infrastructure renewal. For example, for 2017 the planned spending and saving in reserves from property taxes and user fees was about $44 million combined with utilities which follow a pay-as-you-go approach.

“Never before now has careful stewardship of our assets and tax revenue been more important – until all these infrastructure costs are known and addressed, any financial decisions need to be conservative,” says Stephen Ison, board member with Grumpy Taxpayer$.

Nationally, the Canadian Infrastructure Report (2016) puts the dollar replacement value of assets in poor and very poor condition at $10,000 a household (Page 12). In Victoria there are 49,212 private households according to the 2016 census.

That provides a rough estimate of almost $500 million for its infrastructure deficit, although it may be more since Victoria is considered an older city. The report included costs for potable water, wastewater, stormwater, roads, bridges, buildings, sport and rec facilities and transit.

City of Victoria was one of the few major jurisdictions not to participate in the Canadian Infrastructure Report.

Any cost overruns in the sewer treatment project will be the responsibility of core communities including Victoria and Saanich.

RELATED:

Canadian Infrastructure Report Card (2016)

Grumpy Taxpayer$ is a non-profit, unaffiliated, non-partisan, citizen’s advocacy group dedicated to lower taxes, less waste, and more accountable municipal government.

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Comment on The Tab for the Citizens’ Assembly by Judy Brownoff https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/05/07/the-tab-for-the-citizens-assembley/#comment-225495 Mon, 07 May 2018 22:33:56 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5848#comment-225495 Thanks Colin. The following is from Elections BC, my understanding this is a referendum, not like Saanich’s community poll last time.

Referendum process

Referenda are conducted under the Referendum Act or legislation established for the administration of a specific referendum. The procedures and rules for each referendum may be different and are determined by government regulation.

Referendum results are usually binding on government. If more than 50% of the validly cast ballots vote the same way on a question stated, that result is binding on the government that initiated the referendum.

In Victoria’s motion they quote “elector assent”. I searched that on Elections BC. It’s true, I guess an incoming Council could decide NOT to go with the referendum results … dicey. No matter how you want to interpret this the taxpayers will pay both for some sort of “awareness” campaign what the question means to their pocketbook in the future.

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Comment on The Tab for the Citizens’ Assembly by Colin Nielsen https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/05/07/the-tab-for-the-citizens-assembley/#comment-225492 Mon, 07 May 2018 17:55:17 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5848#comment-225492 Community Charter Act, Section 83 states that a Council may seek community opinion and the results “are not” binding on the council” – see excerpt from the Community Charter below:

Council may seek community opinion
83 (1) A council may seek community opinion on a question that the council believes affects the municipality, by voting or any other process the council considers appropriate.

(2) The results of a process under this section are not binding on the council.

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Comment on Amalgamation Update – Saanich & Victoria by Linda jeaurond https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/04/19/amalgamation-update-saanich-victoria/#comment-225391 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:05:16 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5815#comment-225391 “Residents of both jurisdictions also receive a different basket of services for their property taxes.”

“The differences between Saanich and Victoria tax rates are very small”

Stan, I think you are saying dollar-wise differences are small, but that residents are purchasing different services with those dollars.
This is huge. (When you go to the store or shop online, don’t you like to get what you purchased? )

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Comment on Amalgamation Update – Saanich & Victoria by stan bartlett https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/04/19/amalgamation-update-saanich-victoria/#comment-225389 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:57:25 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5815#comment-225389 Are Victoria property taxes higher than Saanich?

Alex Badiuk of Saanich is dead set against any talk of amalgamating Victoria and Saanich arguing in the Times Colonist, “….Victoria’s property taxes are higher than Saanich’s.”

To settle the issue, Grumpy Taxpayer$ looked at Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing figures for 2017, as rates for 2018 are not finalized. The figures includes rates for various categories but we’ll focus on residences, business, and the differential between the two.

Residential tax rate for Saanich for the municipality is 3.3249, compared to 3.6649 in Victoria. Plus, if you include the regional district, hospital, school and other taxes, the Saanich total is 5.4624 compared to 5.8006 in Victoria.

Business tax rate is a different story. The business tax rate is 12.9357 in Saanich compared to 12.4577 in Victoria. If you include the regional district, hospital, school and other taxes, Saanich business pays 20.5423 compared to 19.9298. Saanich pays a multiple of 3.76 compared to residential owners, and Victoria business pays a multiple of 3.44.

So, taxes in both jurisdictions are pretty much the same: Saanich residential property owners pay slightly less than Victoria, but Saanich business pays slightly more than Victoria. The tax rates are multiplied against assessments to give the tax bill.

ONE STAR (OUT OF FOUR) PINOCCHIO AWARD: The differences between Saanich and Victoria tax rates are very small and overstated by the taxpayer. Residents of both jurisdictions also receive a different basket of services for their property taxes.

For 2018, subject to bylaw approvals in May, Saanich is looking at a 3.07 per cent hike for the municipal portion of taxes, and Victoria just 2.77 per cent.

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Comment on Saanich Council Ratifies Amalgamation & Regional Police Initiatives by Amalgamation Update - Saanich & Victoria - Saanich Voice Online https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/01/10/saanich-council-ratifies-amalgamation-regional-police-initiatives/#comment-225387 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:30:15 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5683#comment-225387 […] with interested municipalities.” No other “interested municipalities” have emerged, to date. HERE is a link to the Saanich Voice Online story at the time. HERE is a link to the last SVO story on […]

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Comment on BC: Amalgamation Up to Local Governments by Katherine M Whitworth https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/03/26/bc-amalgamation-local-governments/#comment-225278 Thu, 05 Apr 2018 05:00:44 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5772#comment-225278 Yes, the 2 municipalities did write a letter but it remains to be seen “if” the Ministry will fund a Citizens Assembly.

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Comment on BC: Amalgamation Up to Local Governments by BuhCIA https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/03/26/bc-amalgamation-local-governments/#comment-225272 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 13:47:48 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5772#comment-225272 The region s two largest municipalities started the ball rolling again on the conversation, with Victoria and Saanich councils passing motions this week recommending local municipalities open discussions on the idea. Both motions also ask the provincial government to establish and fund a citizen s assembly on general amalgamation with interested municipalities.

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Comment on BC: Amalgamation Up to Local Governments by Katherine Whitworth https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2018/03/26/bc-amalgamation-local-governments/#comment-225230 Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:26:47 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=5772#comment-225230 Regarding the 2014 ballot question in Saanich…it read: “Do you support Council initiating a community-based review of the governance structure and policies within Saanich and our partnerships within the Region?” YES – 21,437; NO – 2,780; eligible voters – 80,986.

As noted earlier….less than 35% of eligible voters voted for Council and even less (4300 less) voted for the ballot question.

What Saanich voters voted on was not “Amalgamation”, they voted on “governance review within Saanich and shared services”. Let me be clear….Council changed the terms of reference AFTER the Governance Review Citizens Advisory Committee was underway. So, the citizens of Saanich DID NOT vote on an Amalgamation question in any way, shape or form. This seems to be lost of the Amalgamation Yes folks.

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