Comments on: Saanich by the Sea vs. Enbridge https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2012/08/01/saanich-by-the-sea-vs-endbridge/ Your voice, your paper, online. Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:29:00 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Karla Sofen https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2012/08/01/saanich-by-the-sea-vs-endbridge/#comment-1126 Karla Sofen Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:29:00 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=2093#comment-1126 If you want to verify the numbers, just multiply the price of a barrel of oil by the amount of oil available in Alberta. When Saskatchewan decides to go, they have as much or maybe more oil than Alberta. The benefit to Canada is beyond comprehension and cannot be dismissed because of fear and hysteria. You ignore all the points I made and just repeated the fear and hysteria. You can't compare the small leaks of 1950's pipelines to the 21st century pipeline and safety standards that will be required today building a new one. The vast majority of jobs from the construction will be in BC and BC will get billions of direct benefit every year. You are clearly unaware of the extensive safety and prevention measures required now in Canada for tankers. There's a good reason why there hasn't been one in nearly 100 years of oil shipping out of Canada. Of all the pipelines, none connect to the sea. With the US the only possible customer, Canada sells at a $20 a barrel discount. Learn the reality. You don't know anything but propaganda. If you want to verify the numbers, just multiply the price of a barrel of oil by the amount of oil available in Alberta. When Saskatchewan decides to go, they have as much or maybe more oil than Alberta. The benefit to Canada is beyond comprehension and cannot be dismissed because of fear and hysteria. You ignore all the points I made and just repeated the fear and hysteria. You can’t compare the small leaks of 1950′s pipelines to the 21st century pipeline and safety standards that will be required today building a new one. The vast majority of jobs from the construction will be in BC and BC will get billions of direct benefit every year. You are clearly unaware of the extensive safety and prevention measures required now in Canada for tankers. There’s a good reason why there hasn’t been one in nearly 100 years of oil shipping out of Canada. Of all the pipelines, none connect to the sea. With the US the only possible customer, Canada sells at a $20 a barrel discount. Learn the reality. You don’t know anything but propaganda.

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By: biodiversity https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2012/08/01/saanich-by-the-sea-vs-endbridge/#comment-1108 biodiversity Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:13:02 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=2093#comment-1108 So what are you really going to do when the bitumen gets to the coast? This is not a water-line. This is not a company with an enviable reputation. Got a pipeline to Asia? Or, maybe there are tankers travelling through the most pristine, beautiful, dangerous coastlines on the planet. Got a plan? Your $17 trillion are cute Harper numbers, but peanuts compared to the damage that this project could do. You say that there are pipelines built in the 50's. There are millions of kilometers of pipelines sprawling all over western canada. Many have leaked, many more will leak. These corporations need to work within the current footprint, upgrade the current infrastructure. We do not not need more infrastructure. ... So what are you really going to do when the bitumen gets to the coast? This is not a water-line. This is not a company with an enviable reputation.
Got a pipeline to Asia? Or, maybe there are tankers travelling through the most pristine, beautiful, dangerous coastlines on the planet.
Got a plan? Your $17 trillion are cute Harper numbers, but peanuts compared to the damage that this project could do.
You say that there are pipelines built in the 50′s. There are millions of kilometers of pipelines sprawling all over western canada. Many have leaked, many more will leak. These corporations need to work within the current footprint, upgrade the current infrastructure. We do not not need more infrastructure. …

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By: Karla Sofen https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/2012/08/01/saanich-by-the-sea-vs-endbridge/#comment-1037 Karla Sofen Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:20:16 +0000 https://www.saanichvoiceonline.ca/?p=2093#comment-1037 There is an incredible cost to Canada which the writer ignores - $17 trillion into the Canadian economy from Alberta resource development. New technology will allow Saskatchewan to realize similar windfalls. Personally, I'm tired of working halfway into June just to pay all the taxes we must in Canada. Oil companies pay taxes on profits, oil employees pay taxes on income, investors pay taxes on earnings, everyone pays taxes to buy the oil and gas - it's going to pay for a lot of social welfare everyone seems to want and maybe even improve the status of healthcare in Canada. Under Federal Law, the various review panels will not be able to reject the application on environmental grounds, but instead must make a recommendation to the government, including whatever steps need to be taken to mitigate harmful impacts. That the bottom line. We must make it as safe as science can make it. In spite of hysteria, pipelines are much safer than trains and trucks. Efforts to "block" this threaten Confederation. Canada can supply all of North America and eliminate the need to fight wars in the middle-east over oil. If there is some possible safety measure that could be taken but isn't - let us all know. Oil has been shipped out of Vancouver since 1915 without an incident. All of Enbridge's spills were small and contained to their own property. The Michigan pipeline was built in the 1950's. Much has improved since then. There is an incredible cost to Canada which the writer ignores – $17 trillion into the Canadian economy from Alberta resource development. New technology will allow Saskatchewan to realize similar windfalls. Personally, I’m tired of working halfway into June just to pay all the taxes we must in Canada. Oil companies pay taxes on profits, oil employees pay taxes on income, investors pay taxes on earnings, everyone pays taxes to buy the oil and gas – it’s going to pay for a lot of social welfare everyone seems to want and maybe even improve the status of healthcare in Canada.

Under Federal Law, the various review panels will not be able to reject the application on environmental grounds, but instead must make a recommendation to the government, including whatever steps need to be taken to mitigate harmful impacts. That the bottom line. We must make it as safe as science can make it. In spite of hysteria, pipelines are much safer than trains and trucks. Efforts to “block” this threaten Confederation. Canada can supply all of North America and eliminate the need to fight wars in the middle-east over oil.

If there is some possible safety measure that could be taken but isn’t – let us all know. Oil has been shipped out of Vancouver since 1915 without an incident. All of Enbridge’s spills were small and contained to their own property. The Michigan pipeline was built in the 1950′s. Much has improved since then.

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